Protecting Kids Online: Are We Doing Enough?

and so my background in cybersecurity is predominantly in application security so I have had just under four years of experience with dynamic application security and where I spend a lot of time learning about vulnerabilities and web applications identify them on also teaching people how to identify those same vulnerabilities more recently I have moved into the static application security side of things where I see a lot more in terms of code and applications determining if a fix is actually truly effects for a particular vulnerability suppose fun facts about me and I'm kind of a runner and over the summer here the last four or five months I've been just fitting in running Don dimension I on Sunday just there and

finished running 300 kilometers and raised about a 440 point for Alzheimer's research okay I am also a very big Harry Potter fan and as you can see from the picture there of me this was taking up my hem party where instead of a traditional bride-to-be sash my maid of honor bought me a witch's hat that had written on it right to be I then actually went on with my husband to have a Harry Potter themed wedding and if anyone is interested in seeing any of those pictures you can follow me on Twitter and where I have shared some of these pictures yes my twitter handle is awesome socks I was on 17 when I made it

and thought I was really cool there we are and I'm not that active on Twitter but please feel free to follow me and I sometime shared some cool things and I definitely read a lot of conversations on there so with that background up like me you're probably wondering why are you going to be talking about tracking hits online it's not my job it's not what I actually do for a living I'm not really not involved in it in itself as a real activity of doing that kind of research and so these two are my primary reason for being interested in but this is my niece and nephew so my sister-in-law's kids and my niece is 13

my nephew is 3 so I've been a part of their lives for the entirety of my nephew's life and five years of my niece's so I've spent a lot of time living at what they're doing with technology how they're getting involved in all the different areas of the Internet for example my niece is has got a smartphone is on a lot of different apps constantly asking for whatever is popular at the time so that she can communicate with her friends so as you can see they are little enlarged they have two different areas of life and they're both experiencing two different ways in which they're it's boost to the Internet and so my top is split into two different

parts we've got the baby to child to each range because they're very different in the way they are exposed to the internet on what they actually do online and then we have the what I'm tween two young adult so the more interactive the things that a young person wants to get involved in on the Internet so we will start with the younger younger side of things the first thing we're going to talk about is muttering devices from the moment a child is born nor we have all of these technologies that we want to be able to manage those children on make sure that they're safe make sure that they're healthy make sure they're sleeping well

and a lot of these devices are getting more and more connected so we're seeing a lot more baby monitors that are connected to apps on your phone which a lot of them know you're coming with cameras on speakers as well as and the traditional listening to the child while they sleep but also some of them are coming by with a wave in which that you can also talk to you ever is in that room at the same time and if we think about that from an attackers perspective if they are able to access that device they're then able to not only see your child in their room they're also able to potentially communicate with whoever is

in that room and some of the real potentials for that are going to be things like if you have a routine for putting your child to bed as an example generally speaking this may be more for a more high-profile person who has a huge house where there's multiple different entries to that house think about the fact that you maybe put your child to bed at the same time every night there's a big gap between the times booing and you actually go under check on the child rather than using this IOT device and that over a period of time say an attacker is able to watch what you do with your routine for your child and they're then able to pinpoint

the exact moment that would be perfect to go on so they kidnap that child and these are some of the things that maybe aren't saw to bite when developers are creating these technologies because security as we all are aware it's not at the forefront of everyone's minds most people probably in this room do you really think about security when they going to do something but for a lot of these devices especially cheap ones they're designed to function I'm not necessarily be secure if you were at the talk earlier today about hacking RF you will have learnt a little bit about the wireless communications and why they are vulnerable anything sent over the over the internet and over any wireless

communication is potential for being vulnerable and so just because something may be said to be secure in any way does not make it so on a lot of these IOT devices you use a number of the same frameworks and the same technologies that if one of them is vulnerable most likely a large majority of the rest also will be some of the other types of IOT devices are going to be monitoring health and for most kids that's probably not really necessary so things like the little soft on the left-hand side right there piece of my monitoring heart rate and and but option levels and things like that the for a child that may have health

issues it's something that may be a benefit to them but for the vast majority of kids that's not really something that is necessary and also is something that should be a detriment to them and actually the family in which that they are living so take as an example if someone was able to interfere with that data going into that device let's say it's sent to your back-end and sent back to the app so that it can be looked at from anywhere so now it's just stored locally if someone was able to make it look like your child was severely ill yes you might be looking at them going now they're not really ill but as a maybe panicked first-time

parent who trusts these devices so sue them so much you might think oh well you know what I believe that this may be true I'm gonna rush to A&E and go on to make sure that my kid is okay as you're rushing out of the house in the middle of the night someone might be sitting around the corner waiting for you to leave your property and maybe go in and start nipping things or maybe being that helpful bystander he would then maybe help you close your door on their way out and actually just won't entry to your home so in the grand scheme of things with IOT devices they are not necessarily all that secure and aren't

really marketed that way and I also recently find that most of these devices especially the medical side of things are not approved by anyone to ensure that they are actually effective or work in any way and Unsoeld they are just sort of a see if you'd like it which might actually cause more fear rather than actually help ensue with that and we have one other I am device that while I was looking for examples of this I really kind of had to think why do we need this so the main purpose for this device is to track your child toilet habits mostly for every time they have a wet not be you then get this

track done get a schedule for your child so in reality is this really just finding solutions for problems that don't actually exist because you're going to have change so many of these that do you really need to know how many you've actually changed in a lifetime like is that really necessary this is probably not all that secure in terms of the data that's being entered and how it's being stored and this does also actually come with some of those other potential issues in terms of this is a whole system where you get these very expensive nabis that have a little place for the device to fit on but also comes with a camera which would be the

same sort of thing of those IOT devices that are potentially vulnerable so really you want to spend a lot of money on already expensive nabis to learn their bite why often your child he's basically moving on from there we have connected toys so moving on to the age of kids who are now playing with toys that are connected to the Internet in some way or connected through bluetooth so they can have a more interactive experience and this particular toy and my friend Kayla is one that it takes the recordings of your child speaking to it at the end response so generically these are these are generic responses that it provides and so it's not exactly like

there's a person on the other end is feeding back to the child but if there was a way for an attacker to get those responses to be their own that could be a case for actual interaction and we'll get onto another example in just a second that that is actually a very real possibility but this particular toy was actually bombed in Germany because it was considered device so this particular toy is no longer allowed to be owned in Germany because it is basically surveillance so if you think about a young child who's learning how to spell their name learning what street they live on learning a phone number so that if they ever need help they know who to call

they don't necessarily realize they shouldn't be telling their inanimate object toy of a best friend that they live on one two three four high street right and so that information is going somewhere and so whoever has access to that information might find out a lot about that particular child and that particular family putting them at risk so the other toy that I mentioned is called cloud pets and this is actually one I only saw yesterday and I thought it was kind of terrifying it is a teddy bear that your child can speak to it can record something where it is Bluetooth connected to a phone so the app on your phone takes that recording from from the

teddy bear says it to a family member who also has that app on their phone it then plays that recording to the person on the other end the scary part is that someone anyone with that up you're connected with three that up can then record their own voice recording send our cording back to the bear on the bear plays a voice recording on this little heart that tells you you've got a voice message it's basically someone should be Congress having a conversation with your child depending on the age range of course depends on what's actually said or what potential dangers that can be so moving on that core can be deemed kids if apps and one of the key things that I've seen

from my nephew who again he's three he watches YouTube he watches lots of trends on YouTube and when we're at dinner you know the sit with a phone and he'll have YouTube on and he'll slide to choose the next video that he wants to watch and as a three-year-old that's kind of scary that they have that much ability to use all of these technologies but when it comes to can see if apps trick kids is branded eyes this is something that has lots of block doing videos things that are meant to be seen for kids but actually they're tracking conditions are that it will only be taken out of there if it is reported so

yes there is management it will be more controlled than actual YouTube but it's still inherently a place that videos can be uploaded by regular users on if it meets it into YouTube kids and it's actually an appropriate it still needs to be validated on and reported as something that a kid should not be watching I mentioned disney life here just because it is one of those it's more likely to be see if in terms of if it's you're just learning more videos because it's going to be things that are on TV it's highly regulated whereas with YouTube YouTube is a free bottle you can in theory put whatever you want on to YouTube and assuming no

one reports it it could stay out for a very long time depending on the content and with that we're getting into more of the social media aspect of how kids are being exposed to the Internet and this takes me onto the whole industry of youtubers bloggers social media influencers people who basically share their lives online and this comes from two different sides and on this particular em side we're going to focus more on the families that are sharing this content or the people that are sharing the content on the Internet so we have a number of family vloggers on this slide and with that comes from people want to share their life right they want to show that there are regular

people that they do fun things maybe it starts as one of their family members is in another country and they want to make sure they're involved in each other's lives but that comes down to one are the parents in control of the content actually being hit on to on a lot of the family vloggers they are it's the parent that's doing most of the editing and putting things together so they know what's actually going to end up on the internet but when it comes to those younger social influencers she's cop you have come up either three a family vlog or three TV in terms of reality TV or just because they're any kids programs they have a lot more

freedom generally because it's their content it's the things they want to share and so unless their parents are particularly strict and a particularly particularly aware of what their kids are doing in the internet they can be over sharing a lot they can be providing details that they really shouldn't on the internet until that becomes a big scandal or tells their parent actually watches those videos it can't become that they have shared too much and becomes really bad for that particular child and we are aware parents are not always the best people to advise when it comes to the internet we have an example of a family vlogger who kept taking their kids to school they've loved

taking their kid to school they've loves the area that they lived in to the point where someone one of their followers find out exactly where they lived and started delivering Domino's pizzas to their house to the point that they called the place they had to get someone else involved because someone knew where they lived and we're basically just abusing the fact that they knew where they lived and that could have been a very very severe more dangerous and to the this family has had to use home to get this to stop and they are still loving they are still loving their home and they are still sharing this information with the world and to me

that's very scary it's one thing to vlog in your house to share content of what you're doing day to day but if you're giving out that private information a regular person who just lives on a regular street who has ever maybe their whole life is a huge they don't necessarily have like the same contacts that a celebrity and traditional celebrity might have they have the not only the funds but the contacts to have personal security to know people who can protect them from these sorts of issues and so as a regular person when you're on YouTube and you want to be seen as a regular person but just sharing your life it becomes a lot more dangerous recently a

few months ago YouTube and went on a path of us saying that they were trying to protect kids online I'm one of the things that they did was for any videos that had kids in it that seemed to be doing something that could be beat and I say could be deemed inappropriate they started to monetize videos on disable comments this primarily was on family vlog channels one of the examples was that I that I came across was a family where their young son did gymnastics and for all of the videos that they posted the primary and videos that remains demonetized when they complained about this we're the ones with their son doing gymnastics he was doing a sport that he

loved he's only five I think and you tuber basically saying your child is doing a sport that someone might find that they can use for their own horrible reasons and you find pleasure in them in a really horrible way I'm here being at a detriment because you're putting this on the internet so your child is annoying not being able to share what they love because someone else might be doing something about this all came about because the advertisers for YouTube find out that there was people making horrible comments in videos on some some of these types of videos and they claimed that this was to YouTube think that this was to protect the kids but in reality it was to make sure that

there are Kaiser's happy so that they could keep making money off their advertisers and so it is good to hear the companies are thinking about this on our considering what is being put onto the internet but in this particular instance YouTube did not go the right way in terms of trying to protect kids they were inherently protecting themselves I'm Joe Spacek they making it easier for someone to make use of a video because the video still were online they wasn't that they were breaching copyright or breaching terms conditions to the point of being taken off the internet they were just taking away the potential livelihoods of the kids in these videos because some of these loggers that is their entire life

they make money off the videos that they they produce and so any of those videos being demonetized that kid was potentially like money because that is what their parents do for a living so really they were hindering the children and their lives rather than helping them one of the other topics here is those social media influencers the young kids that have all of their social media accounts content that they put up of course should be being monitored by their parents so even the teenagers maybe they have a right to be on these platforms the content that they share should definitely be monitored by their parents because what they share online especially the more famous they get more

well-known they get the quicker things spread the quicker rumors spread about anything that they say we thought we're moving into the slightly older side of the talk here we've got the tweenty young adults and a lot of logging stuff there and runs into this right it's kind of shared with them YouTube it predominantly affects pretty much everyone and anyone on YouTube can't share too much but when it comes to a kid they often don't have a choice they often don't understand what they shouldn't shouldn't say so we then have these young people here just are their life in social media they are getting their first phone so I remember when I got my first mobile phone I was

11 it was an opiate it had sneak on it and it had a Harry Potter cover I've liked Harry Potter since then and it didn't do anything that films do today kids are getting younger and younger as they get their first device which means they're getting younger and younger up being able to use any of the apps that are available on those devices that's the first topic we're going to talk about so the mobile apps in which kids are using these days I'm not that cool with the kids I don't know exactly what all of the apps are being used but these are just soft the ones that I am aware of some of them I do actually use

myself so the main reason why I bring up these particular apps at least words with friends in fortnight our particular God if you looked at these apps as a parent who doesn't use these particular apps you may not know that there is a way to communicate with anyone on these apps so anyone who uses words with friends you request to play here with a random stranger here goes make a move and instantly a chat function comes up you can talk to that person you can say whatever you want to that person they can say whatever they want to you and for a kid who has just about their first phone in whose thing's all this is

really cool that can be the friend they are not necessarily aware of what they should and shouldn't be saying and they shouldn't shouldn't be talking to so my point from these particular apps is when I looked up the descriptions for them as I'm trying to look at it from the point of view of someone who is not particularly security aware or an internet where you know where did it say on words with friends that you can't have a proper conversation with someone that you don't know so there is no adding someone who's in your area there's none of that it's just you start a Congress on it opens a conversation so to many parents this up maybe you okay you're

playing Scrabble with your friends basically but actually it's a lot more serious than not in terms of that functionality to communicate with the wider world because that child could be talking to anybody one could be saying anything to anybody so when it comes to the experiences of my 13 year old niece who you got it from a couple years ago for every app that you don't lose it's a quick line side what type of app is it um for the most part it's very hard to tell what actually is in that up until you've gone into it until you've actually played it until you've seen what is being done within that up many of them are just

games they're just playing a random game like candy crush as an example it is just a single-player game where there's many others that are not on it's very hard to tell so as a parent hard human to actually say yes or no what slide actually having been on that app yourself and actually looked into the features of it so this particular is just more of a hotties that make sure that the kids as they use these apps are protecting themselves and are aware of functionalities within those apps on and making sure that they are safe with what they do um people are potentially more familiar with Pinterest and read it as more of a community based application but as I

said for parents who maybe aren't in this particular interested in these sorts of apps they may not know when they if they don't dig deep into what is going on with these applications so this is just a small subset of the types of apps that are potentially dangerous for kids on their mobile devices and we will move into these slightly more scary ones so a couple of things avoid these tre social media apps as a parent you're more likely to know what these are on what the types of functionality are and that they are predominantly to do with sharing content they are to do with sharing updates about your life talking to people sharing pictures all of that

sort of thing right that is what these predominantly are for but kids don't necessarily know what they shouldn't shouldn't share they aren't necessarily aware of the fact that a lot of the content on these these sort of platforms contain a lot of fake information so we've all heard figures but even a picture of your best friend on the Internet should be completely different to what they look like in real life and something that is not talked about enough is that the Internet is not a true representation of someone's life something I've heard a lot going around is this talk of IRL friends so heard a lot of things on Twitter of people talking about their IRL friends and for

anyone who's not sure what that means it means in real life friends so there's this disconnect between the people that you know in real life people that you physically go out and see you go to school with you work with they are you're in real life friends this bits are really bad and image of the Internet to young inflamed influence vegetable sorry I'm sure that was my word and kids are in are getting onto the internet they're seeing the Internet as my fake flicks right the people on the other end of the screen aren't necessarily real because they're not in your real life but actually the Internet is people's moves in real life they're sharing what

they're doing every day and they're sharing pictures of their lives and so this term both in real life really it's not disconnect between people that you know are people that you don't own the people you're talking to on the internet and it does need to be or of a I would awareness what actually happens on the internet is true is real it's things that other people can see is a person on the other end I'm not confined to a lot of the bullying that happens on the internet and you can see it a lot in internet trolls who just want to mass avoid and poke fun of people and that does come down even to true real life situations

it makes it easier to Billy someone in your skill for example because you then know that person and you knew their social medias and you can then create Phoebe crunch there's not quite ability on the internet because you don't have to prove who you are to have a kind so i kids these days are meeting and fan accounts so that they can talk about that particular person or group that they like and then when something happens I can avoid someone that maybe they have deemed is an enemy out there their particular fan are there particular celebrity their funnel they then end up having this horrible conversation between finders where they start hitting on each other for example

and that's something that is generally speaking not something that would happen in a physical world you wouldn't necessarily have the same kind of arguments you can say the same sorts of things to each other in a real-world setting and that doesn't make it better because those things can be said anywhere and it's something that very much needs to be an awareness for parents and awareness for kids to understand what happens online so I want to get into a little bit about these social media apps and more sites because they do have eat restrictions so I double-checked because then you need to do is avoid 13 it's generally speaking the Egyptians for your social yobs that's true so Facebook Instagram

Twitter they are all minimum age of 13 and I guarantee everyone English has known someone or seen someone on social media is not yet 30 and if that happens all that these companies say to do is here the step 2 to delete data quite right as a parent if your child under the age of 13 has created on a pint here's how to delete it I guarantee you there's at least one person in this room who knows a family member or a friend has created that account for that child didn't seek information so that that child can have an Instagram account a Facebook account so that they can talk to their friends their parents have also

created a kind that they should not have if those arc lights are and reported us than being underage and they also have to verify that that child is under 13 before they will disable it hi I understand why in that if they are over 13 then that seems a bit unfair but in the grand scheme of things if it's obvious that child is under 13 there should be better mechanisms to protect those kids from the social media lights there is one that I particularly want to mention and you may have noticed I haven't mentioned it yet that is what's up when I looked at the eat restrictions for what's up what's up the intersection is 16 plus what's up in itself is text

messaging it's an internet service to text a number that you have yes you can guess a numbers for texting random people but you could do that with a regular messaging service which you get with your phone there is no age restriction with the option there app on your phone so something that really I don't personally understand that is why do you need to be 16 and generally speak a little bit more mature you have a wall top appointment to be able to text a direct message to a direct number that you do to be able to share your entire life with the world you know you on Facebook you could add everyone that you are

potential a potential friend so you might know and you could be 13 you could be as young as 13 or younger because we all know that happens and the social media is a very scary place when it comes to the next generation just because it is sharing of so much content and so much of it is fake so much of it it is portrayed in a particular way that young people don't necessarily understand nor the parents a lot of parents a lot of adults don't necessarily and see the true nature of the dangers of social media I will personally admit that I have a little bit of issues but I Constitution media and I tweeted yesterday that I was doing

this talk gun the whole night was going how many people have liked my tweet and I know that's bad and something that that is something that if I'm doing it kids also doing up there feeling valued by the number of lights that they're boosts are getting I'm the number of comments that they get number people to share it that's something people are taking belly in and it's because of the social media culture and it's definitely something that we need to make sure the next generation are aware that just because someone doesn't like your tween or some of those objects are they like me doesn't necessarily mean that they are a bad person it doesn't mean they're

a bad person it just means that someone has a different opinion um that's okay but on social media for the most part you have a different opinion and you say that to the wrong person you end up with a lot of other people who just be quarter than you so how do we protect kids from all of this stuff for the most part it should be protected by their parents you know parents is the one that's giving them a phone in the parent is the one that's giving the permission to do what they want to on that phone so one of those things is parental controls so whether that is through the device itself through any of the

mechanisms that are available from the platforms as an example would be one making his use and future kids to point but a lot of the time on and parents that I've seen saying things like I don't want to look at my kids phone because my child should have a privacy and it's the most part those kids are maybe thirteen fourteen and that parent is basically saying they should have a free-for-all on the internet because they need their own privacy and with that I understand some of it I guarantee before the internet for mobile devices any any kid that root in a diary their parents were looking at that diary if they find it right and they wanted to do mostly to

make sure that they are okay make sure their kid is happy healthy all that stuff but if you give your kid on unlimited access to their device and you never ask them on it you never find out what they're doing what apps they're using you have no idea what's going on in that child's life and that can be very scary so one other thing but um they say we protecting kids from their devices is monitoring apps so I'm sure sake I've seen advertised an app that you can put on your child's phone and it either Shuchi all of the apps that are in stole the lodge should be see pictures that are signing those sorts of things those

apps are aimed at parents with young kids or with kids with phones we all know they can't be used maliciously I personally don't recommend putting a device app like that on the phone was like telling that child's I personally believe that those kids should have knowledge of how much they can do on their device have an open conversation between the child and the parent to make sure that anything that you online is something that they can talk about something that they can bring out if they are experiencing bullying for example on the internet they can come and talk about it but as a 13 year old at the youngest in terms of the social media apps monitoring out device whether

it be through an app or just even a every couple of days every every week every whatever regular conversation with that child watching about their day their sitting on the sofa with their back to you because they don't want look at you having an ability to talk with that child and make sure that you see what they're doing on that device make sure that you see what conversations they're having to make sure that they're aware of what they shouldn't should be doing online having that conversation being open with them it's something that we definitely need more off because kids are inherently doing and talking about things that they really probably shouldn't or should be a little bit

nicer to each other if everyone was a little bit nicer to each other and the internet would be a much nicer place so next up and almost there is a ulcers possibility so I've talked about these ops the state of things that people use them for I do believe that these companies should be really thinking about how to protect the people that they're using the apps we all know apps are printed on immediately someone has an malicious way to use the particular application and so I'm not saying you don't create anything that's definitely not the way to go but we do need to have major shins basically we are getting better there are ways to report

different posts or comments though such things but we need them to be easier to see we need kids to be aware of them a lot of the time and people have these clients for so long that they aren't familiar with the new additions because no one necessarily tells you if something's added to Facebook do you actually get a step by step of how to use it looks likely not all right so parents may not be familiar with the ways in which they can and the kids on encourage the kids to report potentially dangerous things on the internet then we have parents who talk to a lot of white parents and their responsibility or with protecting their

kids online a lot of it comes going to open communication ensuring that while they're being taught how to be a human and how to converse with people which I'll admit I'm not very good at at the best of times these kids need to be taught how to behave online it's not just just online that's okay it needs to be in actual social issue of being able to communicate with each other we don't have the kids themselves so I'm sure where babies do not have a choice that's entirely up to parents when a newborn is put on the Internet pictures videos whatever that is the parent that is entirely on the parent to make sure that they are protecting that

child's but as the child gets older into the days in which they are being allowed to go outside with their friends they're getting a devices than itself that's when they start taking on their own responsibilities so what you put online as soon as you have access to an account you done you can read and write and you can share things that becomes part of your responsibility no I would say not entirely because you generally learn from the people that you are surrounded by but you're still responsible as a 1314 to sharing content you need to be aware of what you're doing on the Internet that does come with the states and everyone makes mistakes but a lot of

that comes from feedback parents on feedback from friends on the community to make sure that they are doing their best with what they have and then we have schools in government so there are programs in place for teaching and cybersecurity teaching how to behave online on actually just yesterday and was talking to you and someone who had said that they went into school and we're doing a cybersecurity talk they were explaining to kids that when you take a picture of your friend you make sure you have their permission at the same time the Ted teacher at that school was taking pictures of all those kids of a particular person I went question when query they

didn't really understand why that person didn't want their company and they were like well what's the problem and they just didn't want their picture on Facebook that had teacher sharing not actually listening to that conversation they had not actually taken in because they said oh but that talk was for the kids so why would the adults need to also learn those things and that's a really important part of the people I write those kids are telling them how they should be here and so they also need to be educated as much as the kids themselves do and what parents are unaware odd things can happen so while I was organizing and putting together this table I had seen before Evie ously lots

of people had shared speech and [Music] competitions I see I suppose and from the legitimate websites right our unofficial alliance right so this is two examples those three people that are on my facebook Hey all three of these people are parents to have them work with kids for their day job and they all shared two separate dominos pages that were not real they both have the same host avoids winning to treat heart diseases that's not really something that is unlikely for dominance to do but if you see the picture on the right hand side there that's the real dog each its donors pizza with your little blue circle with a with the checkmark in it

they have not seen the small steps to make sure that that was a tree legitimate point I got shared of anyway I actually did speak with these people and just sort of said you know these aren't true your minds be careful one of them had said that it was their friend that had shared this with them and they would go back and share that with their friends because these are simple steps that are there are in grant in applications but aren't necessarily no and aren't necessarily aware for Dalton parents these but if these particular parents are very well educated on working with kids because they work with kids they do understand lots of cyber security in terms of

sharing information and then they can share pictures of kids with like parents permission that's all is that sort of stuff but when it comes to their own lives they're not necessarily as I heated as we need them to be I don't actually know what the end game of this was it was probably just fishing for information email addresses credit card numbers whatever they asked for to get your pizzas um I didn't feel like wanting to share it because that would be a body tumble right and that's it with that I want to end with a picture of my kids this is my cat Dobby and my dog chips and they are just misbehaved all the time if you want to follow me on

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have any questions before right you could always turn around to set up to make shoulder it turns out a propriety boat that crosses the line of personal privacy that companies they're taking between privacy else was right and so I actually believe there is talk of making a way in which this is kind of going a bit off-topic but there is a way of there trying to create identification I'm a centralized location where you prove that you're with the inner beauty so this comes from it I think it came from a podcast actually where where I heard this and in terms of trying to access auto websites on that there is going to be attempt to make it that you

can access them without this centralized identification so I definitely don't think that every single company sign up for you should have access to your password or your driver's license or your birth certificate there should definitely be a centralized way of doing but that is something that would create some type of a capability when it comes to being on the internet basically and also identify himself with the article citizen we were but now partly on both of this you registered with them and

sort of idea yeah and the problem there is obviously what type of third party right you need to trust the third party with your information and not that a lot of people really care because many people would say stop if I don't remembers so many people were like I'm already giving my information to Facebook why do I care but actually this is a whole banane that you're doing exactly the same thing with a bajillion other companies it's not actually yeah no I definitely agree a lot of it comes from the social life that the kid has offline can affect their online presence but I know personally as a very my problem we're pretty and well informed when I

was young I still meet many mistakes online and so it that is definitely a big aspect and but it's something that all of those things eat a little bit more protection for kids everything needs a little bit more and when it comes to whereas researching this most of it came from internal family and so if I was to do another talk with him may end up day and I would want to write run try a little bit more into the wider community and see what other people feel and is where these issues I felt very much for a research person so I would have to investigate about to see where I would go with love

yep there's a cool shot right back she doesn't look like this but I actually have a desirable safety my love looks mostly from this little virtual environment to little sister now lobsters and she's well but I never a lot parents are not as involved in this kind of industry do do love reliance on the principal problems and she's got grounders threatened controls I should go see little kids to go around the front and I think you know I mean I had a conversation happy about their parental controls were right and they were you know she's around as old as time yeah which is very frustrating and but she'll some nerves that I would pick up

and in fact and when trolls and commissioning that Lucy I kind of custom all wrestler and knocking on then you know parish everywhere I really need to do that because we don't bother standing crashes on the kids workmanship young yang back thirteen-year-old barrier and you know is in slaughter Marian's really kick it will sign it now and so did absently where there was some verification I think generally that would be really but I appreciate also from that would be a very different gas constant that as well because they're it a little bit us for the barrier in terms of restriction I do feel like companies probably don't want that in general because they know a lot of their users

are young they knew that they don't they would lose a lot of their market if they did put those researchers in taste so yeah I praise you for the way you're as well one of the things I think it goes through life brings lip regarding both of that process and above everyone else may say don't you review it before a starling sources then food because I'm actually bid to do that with it now give me a lot more faith in bull initiatives which stay with an email account that I know was all that any kind of second part well things happen here so it is the the parental side of things is really important how do you think the

change of next five years yes so much people talk about it you know and the Internet's always teaching everything we do online is always changing so it very much depends on the way anything goes in terms of do we fit in say it's ways of proving who you are your age do we not how do we then manage that I personally don't really know and I know there are a 10 to make things better but whether or not they're in the right direction whether they actually will do anything I really don't know I think this generation get older and they experience a lot of what's going on on the Internet they will then have that effect of well

I don't want my kid to have to deal with that so I'll teach them how to be used better and but I think that would take a while because obviously it's still very young and that would take a bit safe to get out of people