Panel on Building and Leading Talent in CyberSecurity

so to kick us off these guys but I would love them to do an introduction share with us who they are what they are what they don't daily basis then we cannot eat this starting with the lady on my rights um good afternoon my name is Christine Van Buren I am an information security Analyst at Dimension data um I'm also a content manager I'm also appointment manager at Seahawks Kenya what I've done earlier today basically I'm up intima so I monitor the network for clients for any suspicious activities and I also perform intellectual response and memory forensics

I hope you are having a lovely day and just a little bit introduction of myself I'm in one of the co-founders of Shiraz scale and I believe most of us here are members of the same and they've been able to learn more about cyber security based on the programs we have and then also I'm a program manager Cloud Security customer experience Engineering in Microsoft technical expound more about that as we talked today [Music] I am Chris basketball most people call me CK I am currently the director of vehicle Innovation Hub so previously I was mostly a technical person but it's becoming harder I do a lot of research and development and hopefully the balance between the

two will continue and hopefully I can be able to answer questions on both sides [Music] good afternoon my name is Brian yali I work as a principal risk consultant for Syrian primary leading digital forensics and incident response for online security services and also for any other Consulting clients good afternoon good afternoon how is the land how was it yeah and thank you very much for watching us here it doesn't mean that you are Advanced maybe it means that we are ready to share some of our experiences I am Frederick I founded segments back in 2009 which I still lived where we provide cyber security and also for instance also back in 2015 we founded Kenya cyber

security forensic Association basically you also have a number of members here where we bring together professionals so that we can have such discourses and because I might quote a scripture along the way it is good to declare but I also love Jesus do you do that okay thank you so much [Music] so first question to you guys my use of the questions we are going to have will actually be coming from you I'll probably have maybe two or three questions that they don't know so that he gets genuine experience physical surprises on their faces you see those so just to us oh something I wanted to add [Music] I don't think we have a 10v here my

apologies for that it could have been very very loudly also get that perspective from an employer as an employee for interviews but all of these girls I believe from interaction with them at different professional levels they are probably going through some of the challenges most of us are a few of us are going through troubling going through some challenges that some of us are going through so use that opportunity to ask meaningful and living questions it's going to be very rare to get this amazing guy in one athletes so my first question is going to go to 800 Millions who can keep who should respond to the first question anyone yes favorite thank you [Music]

yes what you wish you knew before from this point from your career drivers on everything you've learned what you wish you actually knew before which might have trouble influenced or changed your career trajectory

between perspectives with a change of career from being technical core fantastic or the psychops engineer I'm now doing more like on the sales side of the security products in Microsoft so I wish I knew that one day I'll start having customer conversations and things like that shown from from a technical perspective so joining in is where now I started learning them out of how do you speak to customers like literally how do you face everything that you have to speak so I wish I knew that before as it's been almost it took me about almost three months in the role to get to learn all that and literally it's something each of us should be able

to appreciate the second one

[Music] it looked so hard to me and that's what I do now is there an option no literally have a chance to appreciate in the other field and by the point aim the security space thank you so much it's about to say karma is Hammer try to run for me second question still that same question Brad what you wishing you before

um might not be a bit different from what she said what I wish I knew before is stop trying to chase a lot like balance before you put in the work

you don't get to that balance before you've gone through the changes expounds are you you're spam so early on in my career I started out at a different organization and we worked with Lawrence back then when you're still doing networks then after networks they moved into systems after systems security and there's a time a threat was one of them were giving me sleepless nights when we're managing DNS for the cctld so with the time most of my colleagues left and I was left in the technical team alone [Music] is not a very easy thing so barely sleeping making sure things are running then immediately after that I really wanted a walk-life balance I want to have time to do my own things

and time for work etc but I hadn't realized that you have to really go through the trenches put in the work become really good at what you do for you to get to that other side of the way around you can enjoy that point of that balance but before you put in the work there's no balance yet thank you so much let's jump to CK what you wish to knew before earlier I'm going to talk about the technical technical so for the technical uh the one major thing is that the basics matter and by the basics I mean that means with not when as if so if you are doing a different event I didn't think I would why they really

need to learn those low-level languages so I wish I had learned to them then it's easier to learn when you are younger I think it's the same with all types of languages both spoken with according ones so they are going to start the adventure so a lot of those languages that you want to learn right now run those Basics read those PDFs the ones that tell you what is actually happening the restaurant companies because what you find is much better you want to do something then you have to take a break from your children to go take one month you learn a language just to be able to do what you're doing so learn those basics in whatever area

then that technical is what gets your father in life now a lot of the time it's not going to be your skill unfortunately a lot of the times it will be visibility visibility could be who you know and as unfortunately that's the truth so know as many people as you can you can't convince them using your interpersonal skills convince them with your work because that's another way of networking Network present I see people joining ETF teams do all that stuff and your start determines a lot if you start up at a very low pay scale you may never reach to our goal you want to reach so try to secure your networking at the barrier instead

thank you so much CK Christian

um for me to be uh go for what you want and no matter how fearful you are about the circumstances that you will come out of it uh for example change change is something that scares out of us one way or another um but sometimes change is good and sometimes you putting in that effort for you then that is what will make the difference that is what will make you stand out also if you have the opportunity of putting yourself out there please do because um it is not easy for you to go to a workplace and start trying to do who you are or you may get employed right now and you have to start proving who you

are what you can do and all that you can do it a retinal Authority for example she asks us a platform where you can write articles and share on it with the community that is actually something that you can do to just it benefits you and it should also benefit from thank you when a friend [Music] for this deep in thought what you wish you knew earlier okay hi thank you thank you thank you very much [Music] I I wish I knew that it was hard because I think I got it those people and before starting a company right from the University I I never knew that there are additional skills that I needed apart from the

technical skills so getting out of the University is the computer science skills like that skills service kids they be mentality and they found out after three years almost I could not generate any income so I had to rethink and go back and partake our seeds at the marketing course that was not enough I had to go back again to seek for customer relationship starts so I had to vacate the technical skills for almost another one to two years if I knew but maybe I could have solve those skills another one in relationship to the association considering that we are not as related to like a global organization we wish we knew what we were getting

ourselves because we came to realize that the team was was trapped up you needed so many things we have never managed people like different people very smart people some of them they are smarter than you so but now you are here the association is running people you are managing are serious but they don't seem like they are serious if we leave their Association so if there was a way that we would have no one maybe somehow like for me I would not have you know I would maybe have waited for some some more years and the last one I I also like my sister said has said that relationships so I never valued I never used to Value

relationships during the first two three years but it is the relationships and it is about it's not about quantitative uh uh I mean the quantity of relationships you have it is the quality one person can open a door for you for instance in safarical but you have to package yourself before you get access to those people the problem which you're going to really discuss is a because you're very proud because you can attach a Linux commands you don't value the other person who does not know Linux and that person is the one who will hold your heart to the place where you are going to practice the alliance commands thank you uh thank you so much

[Music] now [Music] also answers I think as a I checked one thing I wish I knew earlier was getting used to rejection and not taking personality character development if given that on that personal level but a lot of the things you want you're probably not going to get them in the first try you have you have to kiss many throws so you try the right program even even in work especially for those who are going guys who are going to join the workforce workplace get used to those cities being rejected don't let it slow you down let it puke you off your rejected me look tell yourself for telling me to tell yourself cry internally stay a loss but

you need to keep moving on don't let that rejection slow you for too long it's okay to be I'm happy sad for not for my day a few days a few hours but you still need to keep going now as a manager what do I wish I knew earlier how many billion managers team leads managing teams it will be good to also share your serious because I see some team leads that I worked with right here if we had 10 o'clock you have been very good to share your experience as I think this is a manager one of the things I wish I knew earlier was to take advantage over delegation being able to delegate some of your

responsibilities and empowering those people to be able to do those responsibilities to that base over their abilities I think that's one thing I wish I knew earlier when also being very open and very free with your team to the point that you enable them grow if you are lucky within within your company if you are luckier outside the company so empowering your people just not to be all around you but giving them enough tools for them to even exhale somewhere else back to our next question so if I could start with a ram this well it's personal then it's better what are those what are some of those professional challenges you are currently facing and how you working

your way through them whatever your comfortable sharing out um one of the big challenges I'm facing at the moment was um initially on the spot of a sock team and helping build the soft team up and threat hunting and also merging that with forensics and incident response now that moved into risk the main challenge with risk is you'll always be facing clients day in Day Out the days you'll meet clients who question your capabilities the right off the bat and someone who will come but you aggressively and Devils will be very polite and easy to work with so learning how to relate with people and work with them is one tough and to see business

opportunities from engagements is a very tough thing you know previously business coming into the organization and you're happy because you know that's your salary being paid but when now you're tasked with those opportunities seeking them out and following through that's that's big on what you've been yelling here in terms of the interpersonal skills and learning how to do business how to do follow-ups with people and seeing those things too so that's one of my biggest challenges at the moment how I'm going through it learning from people reaching out to people who have been there ahead of me learning how to own those skills and engage with people of even business related models thank you

[Music] um professional challenge and see as a as a woman you I constantly have to prove myself in a room so for example if let's say you have a meeting with someone you have to constantly prove that you can do it or that you suit the job so that is one of the challenges that's professional okay it's not professional kind of but it's it can it sometimes affects my uh my work because you let it get into your head and it's at the end of the day you are proving whatever that speak whatever that person told you you're putting the rights so what I'm doing to to work on it is to shut everyone off

[Music] example if I come into a meeting and I explain something once I'm done if you have any comments anything but you take it you're getting it works so I won't I don't at least you're giving me um constructive criticism constructive criticism yeah unless it's that then I don't need comments I think that's one of the challenges I am hugely facing courage thank you so much for the record I happen to work with Christian at some point she is a an amazing brilliant among the best assault people person actually working she's actually really good if [Music]

my idea and just to add something else be transparent in everything that you do the art of employing transparency to the things that you do the art of working a lot with customers you just be honest with them mostly As I tend to feel like I might get this based on the conversation I'm having with them so it's it's good to be candid with the different customers that you're working with on the journey that you have and then additionally to that aside from that is the part of emotional intelligence a conversation might be so hard at some point some of us love crying so you literally might end up being so emotional emotion and you are not able to manage

that so literally learning that I took emotional intelligence how can I cool down it's the worst time how do I am I able to respond connect to your correct a correct manner because at times when when you deal with emotions I think maybe women here in the room I don't know if you feel fat but you might really passed out and make a very wrong response to something so literally learning the art of emotional intelligence and how to manage difficult conversations [Music] professionally unfortunately for me I am I was promoted recently to the position of director so I have to start to worry about things

I hope to start worrying about this that you never just worry about before then I basically had every hour of the day to myself to do whatever research I wanted to do other days I have to worry about budgets for other people will get paid we are in a transition period where I can have convinced someone that yes we can get people paid value I think people need about restructuring and so on and so forth you never get to realize what the reality of you're the one who is being told you you have to do it so this is such as that uh the professionals I think people should prepare themselves at some point in

their life to start dealing with that start dealing with budgets on a personal level for those who are already dealing to think it's a good place to practice uh the the other thing that is a mixture of the professional and their personalities style so time goes away I think I can live with a quote that I was given by my outgoing director to prepare me when he told me that at some point someone will call you in the middle of the night about uh one person is in the hospital about the river and you have to deal with it so it's no longer attack so I hope that as people create the technical Fields they also start growing in there other

than their non-technical aspects

thank you thank you um a number of challenges professionally the first one being in the perspective [Music] of managing people actually working with people now from the organization perspective considering that we are in entrepreneurship and that if we do not look for money no one you are not going to expect money from anywhere government is not going to give you money and people and this money must come from a business that you have transacted um so managing trying to manage relationships especially with the on holding new customers it is very tough especially now when we talk of cyber security why our competitors are the big organizations and they have built trust over years we have the rights of PWC we

have KPMG we have lots of Alexis safaricom so someone will be very much and very easily convinced when they are presenting The Proposal from let's say PWC uh and when we walk into such a room from a secular Technologies they they still have a doubt so they turn around for a new business it can even take up to six months and uh there are different expectations so another one is managing now the people because when you get a business for instance I know I'm speaking to someone here who will get into entrepreneurship and eventually you're in the employment you are going to translate Maybe to having your own business so you have a business they have an expectation in terms of

this they Clash sometimes Kenyan customers they don't pay on time they pay less they have over expectations and when they pay more they also want 10 percent and you see so do you give this person a dead person because they are giving you a business is that apply or is it an appreciation who can answer that we put ourselves into a challenge sometimes we want our business and we we say let us appreciate this person with 10 percent and they told us you see you are now bribing us are we together so those are some of the other challenges and also in regard to the generation the dimension Z and I think as their EX

actly like working together being in the same perspective but one thing we have done is to allow critical thinking you do not have to follow all that's like some legalizing point of view no you can come up with your own things as long as they are going to add value to you and they also going out to value and also to our growth so those are some some of the key challenges yeah thank you for the managers in the house or team leads what are some of the challenges I'm struggling with I think I'm more or less figure them out doing what is right for your team and doing what's right for the company you

had unreal that they talk over he'll die for your stream if you see if if it's a bonus that it's meant to be slashed rather take the manager's bonus back to either the team affected if you ask me most cases it's it can be very challenging to do what is right for business and what's right for your team because at the team level tends to be I get very personal so you probably want to try and find a very good balance because if you peace out of those two too much you lose also I like you to piss your team off people go the company suffers if you build the company the company management too much then career

progression even for your team and yourself also at Checker him another professional challenge I'm facing uh for managers how do you form genuine relationships with your team without also infringing on their privacy and I know a lot of people say as a manager you need to have a childhood it's not relationship they need to form some boundaries between at the end of the day they are your subordinates but you still also want to be friends uh not maybe friends but you still want to have those genuine relationship with them so for me not professionally it's something I'm trying to I figure it out so any other team lead here is trying is going through that

you can come to me you'll see experiences and some very interesting males that at times I've tried to my team we are like it is what it is so moving forward to this is going to be my last question for anyone here who has been part of a hiring team has influenced hiring uh discussions conversations uh what are some of the challenges you are seeing especially for guys who are joining entry level positions and what's your advice to them uh this case we should start off with like hip Drive thank you thank you thank you let me share briefly um we have been part of hiring and also in Ohio uh you know over time

he challenge is a lack of preparedness for our people who are coming from the University and also from the colleges so your expectations are so high so you come to the industry with a very big and you have to forgive me if you know if it is an injection you know it cannot be done in a fair injection so you come with so so much expectation and also the size of the ego ego is so hard because so big just because you have graduated with a BSC or MNC so if you believe you decide and are you getting so you'll be Spirit other guys attitude [Music] and actually not bad attitude as thinking attitude yeah so how did you fast lack of soft

skills and this is something that I want to encourage universities to to take into consideration yes you are very good technical we don't dispute that but you can look at the person that you can even decide then the attitude The Pride so you get into an interview I was part of a literally three weeks ago so the first test this is a secret I want to give the first test was on the patient the level of missions and resilience so the interview is supposed to start at night

you know and they did that although I did not agree with them but they did that intentionally so that is number one number two uh the expectations are so high like what we do we actually have a one year broker where we do some induction for transition from the University of College into the industry the problem is which is not you want to come out of the conference you have zero experience I'm not disputing and they want to come and start working as a principal something for instance at Safari you are going to make so many mistakes you have not been processed you are still enrolled through format so you need to be processed you

apply need to be are we getting it so in one year's time if you allow yourself to go through a process I am telling you will be so much refined and when you get to another interview if you you you you you you don't even care like you know even if they if they they four hours five hours I am okay so those are the main key challenges that you have seen lack of soft skill bad attitude arrogance ego thank you so much Fred on my part while doing quite a number of interviews for both organization and in others other forums unfortunately um I agree with Fred about the transition from University to the job please

the reality is school teaches you some things but not everything so you have to come with an open mind to learn you you've taught yourself stuff most of us do it there's YouTube there's all these online courses they're good they teach you something not everything the reality is there are things you have to learn on the job and you can't microwave that experience it has to happen it has to grow there are things even and the other guys will tell you about mentality this is what you do in a CTF and there's what you meet when you go into the client side so have that patience and how that ability to learn and just listen and

grow from the people who have been there the some who are not as knowledgeable as you because they didn't find those things you learned in uni they learned all the system with older technology but there's something that has taught them over time so take time to learn from these guys language of skills you can't pick up a call for a client who's paying a salary and be like honestly speaking language soft skills learn to say hello learn to ask them how they are it means a lot in some cases you may be working a night shift at a sock and the client calls screaming because they have seen something on the network you you can't be at the same level as

they are whether in the Panic you have to be calm and help them understand what's going on and how you help them do it so soft skills and humidity are very key in terms of people joining the job market [Music] place I think my major concern is there are a lot of vanilla prophets of applicants so you receive all these really applicants they all look the same so it makes your work as the interviewer had so sometimes I found situations where the person who had the worst profile was the best suited for their role as which again is I don't know what radio it is because sometimes it's you who says what they can see in themselves so I would say

uh people who are applying learn how to make it easy for your strengths to come out those deals you don't want to write on your CV write them because there are the people who present their service best sometimes aren't the best and it's a challenge I think a lot of the hires are done have been people who have had to fish for information from them it's me who is actually trying to let's say control them to reveal something then that's exactly what I was looking for so learn how to package yourself your CVS like those obscure deals sometimes that's what someone is looking for I even advise people sometimes to if you did a really good project in University

and it's your identifying thing put it there because probably it's related to exactly what I am looking for but I'll never know so try and amplify your strengths and there's now a Trader CVS are so short that people can't write everything I think it's a nutrient right one page with your photo everyone say then everything comes to one side so don't let that prevent you from actually telling the story of your life I know people argue against long series but I'd rather along CV that actually gives me information that helps with them a short one that tells me nothing I can add something to that sometimes so I agree with what Fred and second brand have mentioned but

additionally based on my experience with chickens I get some teams ask me if can you give me a couple of people I could recommend and I believe I got really Lawrence in terms of getting people from shihas to work with you and how how good is how good are their profiles by the time they come to your side right so basically be good at what you do and try to do as much like put yourself out there so an example of this scenario is someone like Nazi Nancy just started yelling me on Whatsapp like Eve I want to be part of to Sunshine to raise all that men be part of me and I'll keep texting you

every other day and that's exactly what she did and she's now doing great things and she has a nice job with Florence right now so basically whatever you put on your CV make it let it be the thing that you're speaking about because at times I give you someone what happens like are you sure this is a road that you're suitable to so basically whatever you want to speak about please speak about and what Christian said write those articles that you're afraid of writing I'm still learning how to do that also and I believe I have a body also here showing me some guy we've been working together trying to also help myself push articles out there so write those

articles that you'd want to write and basically that will help you and boost you and when you put that on YouTube you have a link and every dancer choose that this person has been doing the match they are saying they are doing it's not just by Word of Mouth like if it's good in Azure what do you know about me doing as well do you know if you can bring it no so basically if I put out a Blog out there what happens everyone is able to see everyone is able to put evidence to the work someone is doing

um I haven't been a part of the hiking but I can share my sentiments because I've been hired oh yeah I've also been a team lead maybe I could share that um I agree with what everyone here honestly okay it's fine you have played ctfs all your life on your University life that does not make you better than the other person you have we have to learn how to be kind like literally even when you're applying for that job remember there are other people who are applying so put out the best version of you and putting out the best version of you does not to me you have to be arrogant does not mean you

have to be entitled you are not entitled to that job you are applying so always remember that also I am here on the part of the CV always I'm also not someone from one page CV honestly because um if you give me one page TV How will I know what achievements have you made in your previous job or what accomplishments have you made maybe with that projects that you did in University How will I know that so putting it out there and just put yourself out there for example I can give my my story when I was hired at my previous job um so Lawrence get to know me because I was writing articles where she has and that

was one of the biggest things that made me get hired because at least he has evidence that I hope she I'm not jumping the camera yeah but at least he has the evidence that this is someone who is committed to what they are doing this is someone who knows what they are doing so you getting that job is a lot easier yeah but please don't be at your parents yeah thank you so much Christine so this was the last question so guys prepare your questions I know you're doing very terribly on time so probably are going to spend I don't say it's 30 minutes no yeah yeah seven is one question so as this prepared for your question uh for

the questions one of the things as a manager is seeing a lot of guys out of university is a not understanding how the how the work environment works there is a development struggle I think the guys I've had so far there hitting there they're actually there yes but specifically the nuances we take for granted so for example from experience everything you do at the workplace has a real world implication like you're going to affect someone's salary at the end at the end of the year or the end of that month we are going to affect someone's career progress there's a new hire we did I did then he rejected me bro so in my mind I was like hey bro you're

not there you are not yet there it's just something weird I think that brought discussion and tell that bro yeah [Music] with everyone but the point changes if someone from each other sends you a meal if your team member expects you to do something for them you need to do it it's not rich by itself inshallah it's not that if I'm not responding to Christina then something she's not going to do on time if she has a team leader manager that if someone is going to be disappointed and what have you done have managers expectations so far goes down if that manager was waiting for that response to maybe influence a client decision now you're affecting

people's that manager's ability to close that deal now you're affecting the ability of that company to make the generator Revenue now you are quoting people's job at risk because companies at the end of the day companies like you have all those amazing discussion but it's about the bottom line so you might not show up to work today because yesterday you are I don't know where you're not feeling well you disappear to you it might be very benign but to the actual from a very strategic big picture point of view there's a lot of other cascading effect you are introducing then to the managers please when you get to work with other managers please take care of your teams be

genuinely involved with your teams and do whatever you can to ensure they are growing it's just not about me making my ball cycle and throwing the team under the bus is also being very well connected and concerned with their team if you have an amazing team High chances you'll be happier if you are happier it's easier too for your boss to be happier so for example we can almost becoming happier and for the reasons I work with them do not use this against me so I've technically been not active in work at work watch two days those are times that was not possible by Trace now I don't see my boss reaching out on me by WhatsApp none of

the PMS are reaching out I via WhatsApp so managers need to genuinely be concerned about our teams ensure they are growing and ensure your apps killing spending time with them they will piss you over times but it's your burden to carry figure your things out and ensure they're going to kiss you like to profit questions [Music] thank you very much my name is Ian um from the panel conversation the main target audience has seemed to be the young people coming from University uh I would love to hear from the panelist what would you encourage and tell especially to relatively older people those who are transitioning careers like myself this is now about three of my transition from

the creative industry to the tech industry I know so many friends who are married and with children women who are transitioning into Tech and most of them tend to sell themselves short especially when they're coming into a job packet into Tech because probably the feeling experienced or even they have a huge gap personally for me since I left High School got creative industry I've never been hired I've been in just the creative industry working on really that Journey so what would you tell such kind of people who are older who are a bit more experienced who maybe are from the business while transitioning into this world who probably might sell themselves short in that Journey getting into Tech I'm sure

it's not I haven't seen it a lot in Kenya but when I do courses online you are with people who are in their 60s 50s who are getting into Tech so what would you tell such people

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right now I was from the offensive security and I moved to defensive so that's not from the creative industry to decide but he would be the best example the way he's been able to to transition from just um from the biochemistry side to now doing cyber security fully what does that mean you just start learning you start everything is about starting have you started no have you started maybe yes to based on this particular session today so the whole uh essence of change is the pattern you just need to start and see what you can learn see what you can pick up and see what you can move forward with and for those if you feel

like you're not comfortable with it you can actually drop it at the end of the lead it's not Advanced just start and then you evaluate the progress based on that yeah uh for my case I have two perspectives one is why are you moving because I think I think it may be controversial but previously I was of the opinion that you needed to have a lot of passion to be able to save a security but as you grow old you realize that people have various reasons for doing what they do if you are moving because you want to earn an income forget about the passion side do what you need to do and then because

[Music] people are in different situations in life so maybe you are transitioning because you've realized that there is a greater career closing the cyber security field and you probably have seen an opportunity you can take advantage of it then all you need to do is put in the work their their agency don't need to be passionate about let us know what lies to you about it the ingredients that you just need to vary in documents and uh checks and boxes whether they coincide with what is supposed to be done that there are areas you know if you are moving for passion now that's the cheeky one because uh then it's going to take a lot of your

time and it's going to take a lot of dedication so the passion side is the one that is a bit risky but people have done a lot of cyber security people don't have them as a Critic background personally I didn't do any it because so it's not something that is impossible to do but as I said know why you are moving then you'll decide what to do um on my part I'll say it's doable it's it's really really doable it's just that it may take longer than other people may think because of their background with tech or whatever the other thing is identify a role you want to get into once you've identified it look at what

are requirements for it try and take over those boxes measure up yourself every six months where my integration to this role I'm trying to get into can I say I've achieved this skill I've gotten this skill I have this knowledge I have this in six months you'll have something or you won't have anything in terms of that knowledge so you'll either be closer to that room or a bit further to try and attend such forums try and work with guys who are in the industry it will be a softer Landing rather than HR somewhere else because to be honest there are some organizations where HR is still a cake so to say so they have at least

did a 90 degree tick those series out so it will make a softer Landing working with you guys were in the industry people who would essentially hire easily I.E the guy sitting there that one such people it gives you an upper hand in terms of interacting with such people interacting with such problems so that by the time it's going to be done they can make a case for you as opposed to a blind application that goes to HR fast energy just shut down yeah thank you thank you for the reason that you are also sharing and also for that question [Music] you have to have the conviction first as you do the transition so first you have to identify why are

you doing the transition then the how is is where the Chinese currency so the change is what you are doing but you have to quantify that change how do you do it now for instance I'll give an example a little approach to be about four years ago background is in the administration without any I.T skills Administration like DC PC those things and she she wanted to venture into cyber security how [Music] and I decided that she she had you know the passion but now the passion is one thing as delay is saying but are you are you willing to pay that price the sacrifice these things they come from sacrifice personally unexpectedly practicing cyber security learning I

think in 206 and I can say that I'm I'm still like a baby those are those are seniors and I'm still I'm even surprised there are so many things that I don't know you can see the aspect of sacrifice So within one year these videos able to venture into us a specific specialization within the cyber security and she is now working somewhere in cyber cyber cyber Department so how you do it for instance don't try to be a pen tester let's say you are in art they are being the best advice or they are the best advice is please alloy accounts they want to eventually cyber security so they need to contact your lines cyber

Society what do you mean by that they draw their experience from law they draw their experience from their legal Stars then they study the aspect of they are going to start the aspect of daily for instance you are in banking I'm sure you have interacted with some government principles even though you are not terrible [Music] then how can you now provide almost the same services but now in the context of cyber security without necessarily starting to learn like that because if you ask me that you want to lose cyber security I have to tell you you have to do all the fundamentals you have to do lions you have to do units you have to

do windows you have to do applications Hardware networks protocols all those things as accumulation of these fundamentals but how about the time because the time for you to be able to actualize those known skills in cyber and also the effort that you are going to make I met another young man as I finish he wanted so much to do styles that I don't know but um offensive security but after staying with him for one month I took him the passion is there but you don't have technical capacity for instance programming is you may love programming but programming requires you to be very good in mathematics it's so if okay mathematics and they will call you you are going to

struggle you see you have to believe in yourself you don't have to I am a program I'm a Bible if you stay with the ultimate Trevor is good in mathematics so you can come you want to do iron also but you are not really mathematics I want you to accept that you are not so if you want if you want to give it what is the strength that you can grow from your current status and let me tell you guys there is no one who cannot become an expert on a specialist in cyber security we have more than 20 specializations which is it cyber awareness you are not a less taxable expert that the person

who is doing offensive stuff are you together guys [Music] and probably you can take the next two questions this can be relatively then we answer them together so one from this set one from this side [Music] my name is and I have two questions here so the first one is um how do you deal with lack of motivation so I know sometimes they're going can get harder and we all get to according to our motivation becomes an issue and I would like to know from your end how do you do that and the next one is um from being managers directors part of our team team leads and all that how do you get to interact with a different

personalities in routines without getting personal and maybe um going out of like maybe just um because they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing here so how do you deal with that how do you balance thank you this is the second question hi Christine I have a question for you I might say I want some kind of somewhere um I get this question a lot especially from ladies like okay how are doing like how to get to cyber space so how can you ment out data tell where young lady [Music]

um to start with gita's question uh when I'll start with the lack of motivation um if you rely on on motivation I think you'll never do anything there's so many times you need to push yourself even though you do not have the energy to you have to you need to otherwise who will put food on your table yeah you have to show up for you that is the biggest thing I usually see show up for you it's okay you work in an organization yeah it's okay you're doing the same thing every day yes but remember practice practice makes perfect foreign

it was tayasa because you kept on doing the same thing over and over again so you lack motivation at all at all because you know everything instead you know everything because probably you're getting the same incidents every single day so you get tired but imagine show up that's all you have to do and when it comes to team leads and managing different personalities um normally what I do is like past currently where I'm at when I joined um I got to meet totally different people so um I have to learn I usually learn every single person individually fast so I expect time with maybe Nancy I'll spend time with Eve get to understand them and their perspective of things

that way it is easier for you to know oh when it comes to Nancy I can't tell her this when it comes to account and also please don't put your emotion this way especially when you're running down take your emotions out if you put in all your emotions as I did that then your teammates and your times feel or your the people under your Valentines feel like you're doing emotional with your life [Music] you know and emotions ruin a lot emotions make you makes you make the wrong decisions at times so take your emotions out and when someone this is your everything breathe out and now think about what you're going to tell them um for the entire one starting off

uh first I I say start with the basics do you know what a network is because you can't stand you can't be in a sock without understanding such things do you know how a network has been set up you know how do you know those basic stuff you don't have to necessarily know it like that to in the salt because most times you are dealing with the same especially as I live with one you don't get to do the um the technical you let's say the configurations and all that so start somewhere and and also um there are so many platforms for uh that are free for learning uh Beauty we have like cyber Defenders we have

blue team Labs online we have let's defend those are some of the platforms that you can use to learn the different incidents that are there are out there and how can you uh that's how you build the mentality of how to do it how to deal with a certain incident yeah I hope I've helped I can pick the two parts of the question from Mr Kitty which is the first one is lack of motivation so I think I'd conclude Christine where she said at the end of the month at the end of the month things have to be paid you know so you have to motivate yourself for you just give yourself the affirmation that you can do this or you

can work towards getting it done and secondly get some money or you can partner with like uh personally I have a friend at work she's a developer for me I don't know what she's doing I'm in security she barely knows what I do but we just meet up on Fridays mostly as well as I walk at that time so you just ask each other have you managed to do the goals that you set for the week or something like that so it's something like that you're able to push yourself because you have an accountability partner who you know at the end of the week I need to tell her that this is what I've been able to manage to do and

also explain you see when you're in different fields also try explaining the same and then for the soccer analyst basically just ask the right questions I think I when I started my career so ask the right questions sorry guys but maybe I've done so much but ask the right questions and get a mentor more soon to just support you as you try and grow in the party and that you are and I think I can volunteer one person here this is Christine for the lack of the motivation I think you have to figure out what's causing the lack of motivation because there are a lot of places that will take you so don't lose your interest in that

career because of our workplace so start clubbing start looking for other opportunities elsewhere start making a plan when you work there if the motivation is because of what you are doing start doing something else because the problem with motivation is that it can bleed into your hobbies the moment it leads into your heart is that it becomes a major problem so I learned to have a way of moving on to something else a virtual currently focusing on is dragging you too much you can temporarily look for something else until you get back the motivation so it depends on the course if you have the freedom to take a sabbatical take as a vertical prayers come back but that you need

money or some form of support system so again it depends you also asked about their personalities during the different personalities it depends on the personalities uh is it that the personalities are just different or that they are bad personalities because if it's bad personalities just let those people go there's still no two years about it because I think usually have this kind of character of a skill so they will be the most skilled person in the organization but if they are just going to bring down everything let them go if it's just different personalities then it's a learning process it's a daily learning process where you learn how everyone operates and you will be able to accommodate them

um in regards to motivation I'll side with him try and understand why if it's fatigue take a break because there are times you'll definitely get tired when working on something and it's not you're not seeing through if it's that take a break come back to it another thing have things outside one that you can do that also keep you safe [Music] if it's they're going to climbed mountains please go do that if it's dancing spending time out with your friends do it also you need to have some healthy things that keep you grounded spending time with family loved ones do it when it comes to different personalities from my view honestly I feel they are

either missionaries or mercenaries at work a missionary is a guy who would hold a hand of a client and walk them through and be patient with them and work on things slowly and progressively is a mercenary who you need a status you have a project you have X number of weeks it has to be done so learn who is what in your team the guys who once you give them the task don't call them just leave them to work they'll update you if there's any need for being updated they guess you have to follow up over and over in algorithm so it's just learning who does what in your team best learning how does this person work best in

getting them to do that helping them understand because at the end of the day you need to get the job done this is a person who's available how do you work with them so learning how your team members work and just working with them in the best way also trying to shape them a bit as someone who's or as in your room being judging a team learn how to shape whatever you feel is a deficit for a certain team member try and build it up so that by the time they're done working with you or working under you still have benefited in some way they'll have that skill set that you may want them to be and it will leave them at a

better place even if not for your organization for the next place the good run for their career for the stock analyst I also worked at a soccer it's tiring work level one is you'll be turning out reports sometimes you're looking at a screen and nothing makes sense but be curious understand what that alert means yes you're seeing a firewall has denied a malware traffic outbound but does that mean there's no incident no it means that there's still malware on that device so if you start asking yourself the whys and how and all these questions it builds you to become a better song analyst because those are the same class the same questions you plan to last

why how when Etc so follow through think Beyond just the alert move away from the same being everything we've grown to be very reliant on technology that we don't think outside that's technological books if the Sim doesn't give you another large does that mean there's no there's nothing happening in that Network so let's be more Curious in terms of soccer and then it feels that a career or that one thanks yeah thank you thank you my colleagues for for the wisdom that you are sharing on the part of motivation as human beings unfortunately when you come to school in such environments we are trained on IIT computer science

on how to manage our complex brain so you have a brain that is so complex but you are not taught on how to to manage that that system and uh when you come to motivation it is very intrinsic so this is something that is in you and there are a lot of chemical reactions that are involved so why so you have to like my colleagues are saying here you have to find out the root cause fast um like for me I remember back in two or three I wanted to to study Aviation but when I met Mr Kennedy who is one of my mentors there you can get my coffee [Applause] just by spending uh sometimes with him

by then he used to work for Microsoft so he was able to introduce some which made me to love computer science so right away I was motivated right away so go back in time why did you study computer science or it maybe you apparently for sure so right from the start the foundation is wrong you will never find motivation that is number one unfortunate number two if you are actually in the right career so you there must be something and one of the root cause that also I have also gone through it took some time to resolve that is procrastination and you see procrastination is also intrinsic in that each one of us will have a measure of procrastination so by

how much are you supposed to express this procrastination you get into them into the work place in the morning right there you don't you don't feel like doing anything so the only thing that will motivate you is Facebook Instagram some blogs are we together so what you need to do you must devise a strategy people overcome procrastination because what happens people tries to run away and they look for motivation from their own places because there's a chemical reaction that will make you feel good so when you're working on something online that you feel this Linux is too hard so but uh beating into Instagram for 10 minutes look nice then you beat for 10 minutes before you do it you click on if

you are a man you click on a lady you are zooming before you do it you have spent two hours and you are feeling so nice what you don't know is that you are generating a lot of chemicals you feel inspired at the end of the day it is going to affect the level of productivity so it is a fight that you have to fight and I I I like the person who have asked about that why most of us who are not struggling technically we are struggling those two small things [Music] motivation can make people be unproductive and be fired right you are in Facebook for four hours in a day where you're supposed to work for eight

hours especially when it comes trading reports have a motivation I don't know my motivation for us to write a report there's a technology you can adopt and start a generator for model even more trouble that is something that I did one more jokes [Music] eat that stroke eat that frog what you do you start with the most difficult tasks in the morning you have to do line up something you have to look at them painted something study those things that are so powerful that don't even give you motivation at all so when you start with those things then you can have sometimes for people's Facebook and whatever in the afternoon when you start your day with Facebook

the first thing Facebook before you know it so by age you are really tired there is no motivation during the day when you're working thumbs up foreign

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