Hacking the Next Generation

I marriage test okay they still probably heard me one more try hey perfect timing robbery all right add some technical issues yeah see you then you start now obviously that's Robert Wagner so my generation of users remembers when technology was complex it required certain basic skills such as reading typing and some patients as well as some other skills today because the mobility and consumerization of IT the current generation does not have those limitations we're going to talk about hacking the next generation it's the cyber frontier and here is your star trek meme because I'm necessary and here is Riker and then as all the Star Trek meme you're going to get from me 1492 is it okay to share your password

with people I'm sorry what'd you say take that back what and of course I 492 okay I 1192 is it okay to share your password with people I'm sorry what'd you say yeah yeah yeah it's okay to share your password with people that's my three-year-old son he's one of three boys that I have is the youngest and before about a year ago when he was two he barely spoke and now his language is exploding so much that as he's unlocking his tablet he's sharing his password with everybody in the room and anyone else that watches this because it's being recorded so that in there lies some of the issues that were facing with this new generation kit sorry kids

want to learn they're wired to learn they love playing because that's when they're learning the most so we should be giving them an opportunity to play and learn right instead of just playing and then learning why don't you learn and play at the same time we're responsible well if if you feel responsible that this is something that you also need to help teach this current generation then we have a lot in common we're responsible to make sure that this generation gets the proper education that they need otherwise some of the problems that we talk about now when there was not as much technology it's going to explode if they don't already has not been exploding and we're seeing

it this is a classic example that's why we created hack for kids up here in the front row with me is Robert Wagner he's one of our board members as well and we give a lot of our own time to try to address this current issue that we have today so I'm gonna tell you how hack for kids got created so why or when when was hacked for kids created so back in fit pardon me back in February of 2013 I saw a tweet by four people excuse me should cover that up better I saw it tweet of by four people about starting something called [ __ ] on kids so right away I wanted to get involved

and i replied if I can lend a hand being a parent and having kids exposed to technology and working in infosec and IT I understand this is something that's important and they accepted and about a week later they put me on the list and we had a few meetings and we started planning where to have the event when to have the event what kind of content it was great things are moving along because it was called thought con kids it was going to be kind of like an extension of thought khan and the board at thought khan decided not to move into a kid's event so kind of SAT back being a little disappointed and having all of

my excitement of doing something that I've been thinking about for some time dissipate and I just accepted that his fate but then changed my mind and decided well this is something that I should probably continue doing because i had that inspiration and that fire inside of me so i first asked for permission and they said it was fine go right ahead and in June last year we had our first hack for kids in Chicago the pilot conference we had different kinds of tracks for that a little bit we had some homemade hacks we introduced snap circuits to a lot of kids or if they already were exposed previously we introduced different ways of doing projects and new ways of using snap

circuits and this year we introduced Arduino and we print it up some 3d cases as you see there and use that as a part of a scavenger hunt and the Arduino is blink Morse code and that was actually my oldest son's idea which is pretty cool and then my apologies and one of the activities which is just wildly successful which one of the staff recommended we at first okay sounds kind of cool let's let's try it we're going to try anything and definitely try anything that makes sense was to purchase equipment from Goodwill at a discounted price and give the kids an opportunity to just take it apart doing technology reverse engineering which then that table that area was later

called the technology destruction village aptly named and they love it they love taking it apart I mean you can tell the gender of the person here obviously I'm not going to share her identity but you can see she's having a great time taking something apart and they didn't want to stop so what is hack for kids well it made sense for us to get registered as first in Illinois not for profit but then an IRS 501 c 3 public charity you can see there the filing by the way if any of you've ever tried to do this before it's usually a little bit of a task sometimes it's daunting for people this was filed january fourth 2015 and approved january

9 2015 thank you yeah this here's my pro tip for you get the public servants busy right after the new year and they have like a low bar of work ethic so what they're going to do is all the little small forms the bigger ones they're going to push to the side so you'll get done first I used to be a public servant so one of the things that we've done with hack / kids and that was really very successful in addition to having our first pilot conference in Chicago is we've decided to go in tandem with other successful conferences that's kind of been I think part of our secret sauce is instead of going out there and banging

the drum on our own we partnered with circle city con and Indianapolis she's on staff we've partnered with Brooke on so on October fourth we're going to be in Belgium the sunday just before brew con so going to be doing something there yeah we are you know and it's going to be our first non-english event as well it's going to be in French and Dutch which is going to be really awesome because i'm not going to know what's going on but i know it'll be fun and we were also doing something in grand rapids with dirk on on october 10 so gherkin for the first time instead of being a Thursday Friday event it's now a

Friday Saturday and that was a great opportunity for us because now kids in the Michigan area can go to gurkot and we're going to do something there but you knew about that so if you do want to start your own hack for kids this is partially what we're talking about we're trying to find people who are interested in doing this in your area so just for the sake of this presentation I started to create a Google form you can write that down now or this Prezi is already made public on prezi com and you can find it in there but if you go to the forum that first line that you see well it's cut off is

all you're going to really see is just your full name but we're going to have to ask you a lot more information but just to get it started yeah I did it in I thought they're gonna do x 60-minute but well it was everything else cut off too I just noticed this yeah that's all right you guys power throat you're tough [Music] recordings fine that's all it matters so we also at hack for kids in addition to educating kids about Internet safety best practices while giving them an environment to explore science and technology and you probably heard of stem science technology engineering and math please don't raise your hand about steam or stream we're just kind of

really if you've never heard of those before there's a Huffington Post article you can read we're really just focusing on steam a stem excuse me

next generation what I've done equal my school is your document p I saw your it up your son hearing the same data also a problem my generation also there's we might need to give him the Mike I was gonna repeat his question but it's gone a little long I'm getting old and I can't remember all those words is this also to help because my neck my generation also has the same issues as they're basically about the same as your side so his question is that his generation has the same issues as my three-year-old but you're exactly right so one thing I did not mention yet but i was going to is hack for kids events are

really focused on kids ages eight to 17 and there's a reason for that but you're right so you would actually be someone who could go to a hack for kids event if you're over 18 we would encourage you to speak it out for kids and you can still do all the other fun activities our keynote while getting a little heavy myself ever so um while we do take internet protection and safety very very seriously we also take child physical safety protection very seriously as well at hacker kids appreciate the tackle in seriousness we have certain policies and the some of the policies we put those above all else and we don't compromise them for example nobody can be on the

board unless you've known each other for well over a year and not you've met at a con and then you saw each other a year later at a con you have to know each other meaning like you've either work together or you're good friends and hang out you really get a good sense and well as other people vetting that person to make sure that you're a good more of a moral character a lot of my training comes from Boy Scouts of America regardless of what you feel about their politics and they've actually made some really good changes in the past week if you haven't heard the news which we're not going to get into they had some

issues with people's certain lifestyles and that's all been lifted which is great so I think you guys should applaud them for that seriously you should applaud them for the head they're very open now but the training that comes from the Boy Scouts of America has helped me understand what the young mine wants to learn about and how they want to learn you could teach them whatever you think they need to learn but if you're not giving it to them in the format they want to consume you're wasting your time but the protection that they the Boy Scouts have is we've adopted a two-to-one ratio which means there will always be at least two adults 21 youth we will never

have a one-to-one that protects both parties it protects the youth from anybody that might be a predator or that could be a life-changing event whatever that means as well as the adult may be falling victim to somebody with a creative imagination and that being a life-changing event so that's something to keep in mind if you think about doing this this is very serious we have other policies such as no mobile phones in the restaurant you can put your phone in your pocket to carry your business and me it can wait why again the assumption of what might be or the perception of what might be happening protect yourself put your phone away some of the other

things that we also do is part of the vetting the folks okay you could read that is the volunteers we don't make our volunteer form public for anyone Amanda can attest to that I've known Amanda for a little over a year now and I asked several people about Amanda who knew her longer than a year and then I gave her the URL that was hidden on our webpage to fill out a form because we just don't want anyone off the street to comb over get it you got to read it I'm still don't get oh he's got no hair we're getting to that the question was what would Parcher the countries are we in we're going to

get to that it absolutely is sir no I appreciate that kind of humor so even the photography of people on staff is in a controlled form they'll put it on an SD card and it goes from them to me and then I go through that and if there's a parent or somebody who wants the photography of their child they let the photographer note with their email and then I share that with them and only them on our website we do use some photos like here in this particular instance nobody can identify this youth except for anyone who's a family member relative or close friend and it protects the child but you could still see he's

experimenting with snap circuits and then there's the Arduino right next to him this is another example that we like to use this youth is seven years old I personally know him and I can recognize him but you have no idea even if it's a boy or girl because of the curly locks what moment sir but you could see here they're actually active and they're doing something yes that just happened to be that photo but I have some others that douche like show their face that I intentionally blurred this was the badge that we printed this year and there's a story behind it but i'll spare you and it was actually a 3d printing accident but it was a really

nice badge and what was really nice is the bottom where it says chicago we can custom that to every location we're going to come up with a new badge next year but we also have the ears of the year so it's a really nice memento for the kids and this white badge is specific to the tyros Tyros are what we call the youths that go to hack for kids tyro means learner or a young learner almost like a Padawan sure you've heard that word before you can relate to that the adult badges would be white but they don't have the tyro symbol we created a tyro symbol just for the kids to have something to identify with something

that is there's that symbol that you see there well it looks like an arrow it's actually like a Nordic rune shape which is kind of like the arrow it's a little more pointed here in this case which is called the tire Tyr Tyros belt tyr oh the tire means strength and warrior right the circle completes the word tyro and the circle represents the unity of the hacker community and if you're on Twitter don't giggle and the hackers quest of never-ending knowledge because as you know once you've solved the problem or you've changed something and you kind of flipped it around and looked at a different way you kind of turn it sideways you might put it on a different

bias you never stop looking at things to improve them so that's their symbol if there are speaker they get a blue version with the tyro but if it's an adult speaker they don't have the tyro symbol at all because they're not a tyro we call the adults pones short for chaperone but it also sounds like another word you might know and the staff are admins so kind of give you some of the nomenclature [Music] so why and where this young man asked that question why I'm where hack for kids well before we get into the where here's the why when you may have heard of roots asylum previously known as Def Con kids a fantastic kids ethical

hacking conference that was my first exposure to this particular type of medium and immediately I was taken and I wanted to bring my son who was turning eight but at my oldest son and at that point in time I realized do I really want to spend a week in Vegas with a seven almost eight year old no long nights for late nights a little bit of sleep odd meals early mornings and it's Vegas right so I kind of table that and that was also part of what lit the fire at me to create hack for kids there's another conference in san jose known as hat kids you may have heard of them go to hack kids org another great

conference but the thing about these two particular conferences is that they're in the West Coast roots is in Vegas hack kids is in San oh hey san jose what about the rest of the country which is pretty much what you're asking so that's why one of the things that we wanted to do what hack for kids is really kind of start to think much broader at one point i'd like to make here is I view these two organizations as partners or allies or people that have the same mission and passion for what we're doing and not as competitors and I've seen some communications on the internet that there was some type of competition or rivalry but not from them from other

people and I just really want to make this point clear if your idea of product izing internet safety for children is what you want to do in an event this is not for you don't do it [Music]

he said we want to teach the generation the next generation about the dangers of what's coming me up in the future correct exactly mobility to dancing very quickly probably faster than we can keep up with it but you're absolutely right but it's not the dangers that are in the future there's a lot of dangers right now so by funny though is that you see that but you also see how kids now now you're starting to see kids that are younger that are a lot more texts at right my sister is like now super smart lighters so he's the appointment came into the family okay so um now that we're like your son was able to use an

iPad and all that he could only read numbers he can't read words so but by the way was a samsung tab book but you know that that's okay so now they're starting to get more like I've seen little kids with iphones um my nine-year-old has an iphone it's not one of the topics that's brought up is how to use those properly kind is that one of the things that's brought up with these uh hacks for kids partially we're gonna get today sorry it's okay you're awesome though you're awesome don't worry about it I love how you're thinking it's great it takes a lot to take a bike and talk to people it's a lot of courage so yeah we want to go

pretty broad I think we might not have like a hack for kids in Antarctica but if we do that'll be pretty cool nothing wrong with that and the cool was the bad pun thank you sir in the back where the joke was over his head but what we want to do is really kind of open it up sort of like a franchise so if you're Ali I got cut off that's a bad one so you can see that gherkins in Michigan their circle city con in Indianapolis there's a reason for that because i live in illinois or headquarters as in illinois and then brew con is that first extension across the pond we'd like to

go to other countries scalability is a problem there's me there's Robert there's a few other people on staff but we we have day jobs so that's what we're looking to the community if you're interested in doing this if you have some experience and you really want to participate in this light sapphire in you talk to us give us your business card we'll talk to you but we also need you to rely on you to take the initiative be the leader in your region we will give you the framework we will give you the guidelines we will even give you some funding if we have it so it's not something that where you're all alone trying to figure it out we

know how hard that is so who we are I guess maybe who hacked for kids how we're affecting that I think i mighta not been so good so the kinds of columns of content that we provide now I'm going to answer your question we provide speaking tracks activity activity lab stations we just call activity stations they're all very hands-on as well as workshops good a little deeper into that oh and very important in case you recognize enemies right there we're partnered with the IAC squared foundation you heard of somebody has they're like cissp or one of those exams are certifications from is C squared we've partnered with them but they have a foundation portion which is very

focused on youth safe and security unlock nur safe safe and secure online is the presentation Robert was giving there and that is mandatory at every hack for kids that's where the kids are learning how to be safer it's not just about keeping your password or saying in your mind and not your voice but creating a good password 1492 is the year columbus sailed the ocean blue so it's an easy password while teaching you some history but we want something that's a little bit more secure we want them not to be downloading fake malware we don't want them to be doing something on the internet because they can just because you can be anonymous control somebody doesn't mean that it's the

right thing to do you don't want it done to you don't do it to others we've been told that our entire lives but being anonymous makes it that much easier to be eviler so we do teach kids how to protect the victim in a bullying situation or cyber bullying situation how to disarm the audience which are the people who are laughing along with the bully and to completely disarm the participants who are the bullies in the whole event we don't like cyberbullying and that's something that we do try to emphasize and really teach the kids not just not to be bullied but to also get involved if they see bullying and to stop it yes sir the safe

and secure online presentations do require it's gated access it requires an account through is e squared and in order to do that the qualifications are a cissp as well as going through their training on they do a background check on every individual as well as some training comment do you have is that information the education I failed on until people want to learn how to be safe online and all those things you described perfect we don't have that we have other types of information in our library but there are websites like child net or safe and safe and secure online which is another or stay safe online is another great website that has a lot of that information if you just

type in safe and secure online you'll find up copious amounts of data hello which we didn't want to just be another me too and have it because there's a lot of it out there sorry Roberts you see a lot of their material has been ported out to other sites absolutely you know it changed a little bit to read copyright infringement but most of this fun one of the best parts of this safe and secure online is they spent a lot of time and money creating about a 10 minute video of a kid or teenager probably around your age he's six sainik said it was 16 being cyber bullied by classmates in high school and it was a

UK setting not much dialogue but a lot of music just kind of really set a tone that when that video is over everybody just is quiet in the room and thinking through what happened I mean just talking about just gives me chills you got to see it for yourself and it really it lets you know the victim in that story turns out to be okay but the bully gets arrested because cyberbullying is illegal if anybody was unaware so this year we were fortunate to have our first keynote in our first keynote you could see here's Ruben Paul who's a nine-year-old CEO you may have heard of him already he's he's an awesome guy awesome guy started speaking to Der Beek

on last year when he was eight and now he's nine and he's been an international speaker and he's achieved more in one year than some adults do in their entire career it's amazing he's a bright kid great kid but he's also he does other things in technology he goes out and does martial arts and whatnot so we were very fortunate enough to have him in Chicago this year so the activity station so this is one stem example the challenge for the kids was to create actually just kind of jump to that was to create a popsicle stick catapult out of popsicle sticks glue gun rubber band and a plastic spoon they were given a picture or they saw some other creations

other people made and they just had to build it there were no instructions when you're doing R&D there are no instructions it's all Applied Sciences so we gave them something to apply with a goal so you got to give them the objective and help them get there but we didn't say do this do this do this like this is what it looks like how do you think you should build it and not all of them look like a lot of them didn't and some of them came up would better design and then they were having a competition on the floor shooting balls of paper who could go further so not only they build it they were testing it which is what

R&D is about it was great doesn't mean crossbows yes yeah that was in circle city con they started making cross those have to be in town their place I call a group to move for these communities stuff I also they have us Oh good exactly right and also it takes individuals like yourself who her question was we also get involved with Maker Faires and hacker spaces and whatnot and there's a lot out there and they keep popping up and they keep kind of disappearing so it really takes people who are local in those areas to be the ones that initiate to the maker spaces and say hey if you want to do something with kids I know this group

called hack for kids and maybe you guys can collaborate versus us knocking on doors because Robert and I know we knock on a lot of doors and there's a lot of times they're not open because we're just somebody they think yeah it's very cool I have another version of that involves just a few popsicle sticks and some rubber bands and they need to make a catapult which is different that's for a younger group because the glue guns kind of hard for like seven year olds and younger but we also do stuff with scouting as I pointed out earlier so if there is a scout who was working on their stem Nova badge they could be

notified here oh by the way this is where you'll get credit towards that so they have other types of achievements that they're working on there's nothing better than working on something while you're also doing something else at the same time right and they like that so we identified that in there and then the workshops the way we organize the workshops is based on the venue how many were able to have but by the way to answer your question yes in Indianapolis we did work with the local makerspace and they printed up a bunch of catapults as well that was a different type of assembly actually they would trebuchet excuse me so same kind of thing but a

little different so the workshops we've done a few different types of workshops these are workshops that I know adults want to sit in last year we did workshops like oh I just had a mind link yes we had them we had them build a minecraft server so they learn Linux while building a minecraft server which was great because they wanted to build a minecraft server they wanted to play we wanted them to learn Linux you marry those two the other one was a robotics programming workshop and that one also was broken up in the morning and afternoon based on age groups so for the older kids they had to work with a robotic arm the younger kids worked with

a little truck that they had the program to go through a maze this year we did stuff with raspberry pi so as an intro to Raspberry Pi and one of the challenges that we did was we didn't have them just have a monitor with an hdmi cable or a keyboard with USB we had them booted up we knew the mac address of the adapter we told them the IP and then they had to use xrdp in order to get to the pie so they learned that may be at home if they don't have all the resources they need how to be resourceful how to figure certain things out or should I say all the equipment at

home and teach them how to be resourceful once they got through that then there was a Python script that was pre-written for them we walked them through that and what that was doing is it was using the gpios to talk to a robotic servo motor so they were starting to learn the fundamentals of robotics as well all within a four hour workshop I know about a private company could you say a question over please yes i said this workshop or volunteering free so we can reach lower income people because i know i sent my daughter to the Tecton there are a thousand dollar a week well I e-tech him yeah do my craft java forward she's really in my crap not

everyone can four thousand our camp so I'm saying we should extend this and I don't know the current model is free or volunteer basis or minimum charge you know we should be all run this more often and cheaper than a thousand dollar person a week [Music] it is a lot less than a thousand dollars i did send one of my kids to Heidi tech one year I'll keep my opinion to myself because I know I'm being recorded but it was a good school but you're right we generally charge for the kids for the tyros forty dollars for entry forty dollars includes a shirt a badge stickers a prize and lunch see if you can get all that in under forty dollars

and if you can you can help us but you won't that's hard for a hundred people plus you think so and for adults we only charge 25 because the adults they're going to get a shirt they're going to get a badge they're going to eat and we're in downtown Chicago so we were in the city you know go to lunch you're gonna pay ten bucks or more the workshop that one was a web hacking exposed bounty hunter edition so I had Star Wars theme and the kids were learning about web apps how to attack a poorly made web app and as well as how to fix the code that was free so you paid your regular

forty dollars you could go to one workshop the one with the raspberry pi because the little kids left with the equipment we split the difference at about thirty nine dollars yeah

for one day though we're not you know a whole week but one day on the Saturday pack filled with fun and learning and sometimes you get to walk away with a raspberry pie but I haven't gotten to the prizes yet I'm pretty darn generous at hacker kids we're working on Bree we're can I know somebody in Atlanta that wanted to do in Atlanta that's the problem they get excited and they fizzle people want to do it I know people in Austin I want to do it in Austin people get excited they get busy with life and it fizzles and for Robert and I to keep pestering people we only have so many friends and we're losing some of them

because they keep helping us with hack for kids if you think but Amanda's great she helps us she helps everybody so I know she won't go away but some other people you know you might get one to one time out of them and that's cool that just you can't you don't blame them but you're right we do we don't pay anyone everybody volunteers nobody on staff gets paid we could pay you you said oh I can't get rid of her I know you're like luggage huh um so just to kind of give you what we did when in Chicago we had for example the Python for kids so if you heard a Python for kids that's the

no starch press book who was very generous and they sponsored and they gave us some books to give away and with their permission we were able to use the name for the course which are sorry it was actually an activity station and it was really designed and it's just another example we did several things but just to kind of give you a clue it was about the first four chapters and then the sixth chapter within the book and it was like really fast track so was here's hello world here's how to accept more input here's how to output your input here's how to make a list so that seconds are um the second exercises who

are you you type your name this is whole how do you feel today oh very simple stuff but they're learning the fundamentals the next one with the list was just teaching them how to collect data in store which is like an array and then drawing shapes which then they all love the graphic part so just imported importing the turtle module with in Python then we did something like here's your challenge now that you've done your exercises we've created a challenger I think this might have been at the book called dizzy turtle yeah i got this screenshot on the book and it was just basically for loop about 10 11 lines of code just to teach them

how to create this concentric square but yet just kind of do in the loop and know how to make the the distance a little less just basically flow control and then this other one was another challenge was make two lists of your favorite things and then join them because that's kind of how a database works right you have information information and then you do a join and it just gives them the idea of what programming looks like from that perspective and then the Fibonacci series that was a tough challenge nobody got that one Pascal's triangle don't they adding the sides of the numbers you add them diagonally he said you really want to go to hack for kids don't you

and the last bit at the bottom where it says some content for the activity was taken from the book give credit where you you know cite your sources and also state if you have permission to do this it's very important because this is going to go on our website it's going to be open for global viewing and there's going to be some trolls who come back and say things negative there are trolls on the internet now that even have said some negative things about us and what could we have done wrong there's just people that have free time and a lot of hate makes no sense so on our website if you want to see some of this content

this would look Sark right now you go to hack for kids calm click on the library and here's content from 2014 so we want to share this stuff we don't want to keep it to ourselves so we charge a little bit of money but then we make all the information as free as we can we have some presentations here's the minecraft workshop notes so you can build your own minecraft server if you want here's some crypto challenges so we've ever done a crypto challenging you hit like base64 and your copy and paste and you drop it in some kind of decoder online and guess what happens there's your plain text right your decoded well these are all graphic images so they

have to type it in no shortcuts we're going to take the content from this year and put that online as well and expand it because we have a lot of new content prizes at the end of every conference because every time the tyros are going to an activity station they go to a presentation they go to a workshop they earn a token some kind of incentive for them to continue participating in as many activities as they can so they get as much exposure to all the content that we have but at the end of the day if they give us those tokens and then that's a drawing I'm sorry that's an entry into a drawing that we have so we

put it into a hat and we kind of swirl it around and pull it out and their name would be on it and then we call them and they can come up and pick whatever prize is on the table what we're doing this year is I was able to get some virtual minecraft servers online a cloud it costs so that's a grand prize that's a over 100 dollar value yeah it's an awesome prize it was like 150 six dollars we got a discount and all the grand prize winners have gotten one and they all loved it and they were all super happy and sometimes your kids crying that they didn't get it right minecraft is it's good stuff around 16

to graphics underrated minecraft great even for development you know learning java in this particular case this is a snap circuit unfortunately elenco who's the creator of this award-winning kit for just teaching electrical engineering and projects is like in the next town over where I live so I was able to go over there they donated a bunch of these kits this kit retails about a hundred and fifty dollars when we got it exactly and they gave us three but they also gave us some smaller kids that the kids could use you could build an AM radio with this pretty cool stuff the adults love it the adults go in there and they're building the radios and the

projects and they're kind of tweaking with the electronics so you know the kids have a great time too again no starch press they gave us seven books Python for kids which is one of the really most popular kids book they gave us a couple copies to give away Arduinos you know give them a nice platform they can go and they can develop with it build some sketches we also printed their own 3d k so you saw the black ones before we printed special white ones for the kids to match their badge and then my personal favorite last year at Def Con if you guys been to the hardware hacking village there's the DC darknet badges I

love these things they donated four of these things to us they were twenty dollar purchases I bought one for myself and one for my older kid in addition to the four they donated and the kids when they learned in the UM in the eighteen mega was at a 238 chip or 320 a chip there was a TV begun sketch uploaded they all wanted it when they learned what a TB guts if you don't seem to be gone is you go to bestbuy push a button and then the tvs go off pretty fun prank they all wanted it so this twenty dollar soldering kit the kids cried when they didn't get this and other kids where

they have the choice between that and the snap circuits set they were moving to her that and you could see their parents kind of turning them know grab the one hundred and fifty dollars naps are good kid add your prize save me the money because they can't get this you can only get this a Def Con and they're donating more cos this year which is great so I love the DEF CON hardware hacking village it's a great community support so again the gifts oh we do gift cards we do a lot of different things we try to get creative and also change it up so the kids get money I mean they'll spend it wherever so how do we know hack

for kids is successful um it's it's very hard to know where we're successful specifically with the safe and secure online that is definitely where we need like feedback for parents that we need to know but specifically we're just hoping in that case that the message is coming across but we keep repeating the message eventually I'll get through to them we also do things with surveys so in this particular case we had a survey in Chicago and if you're going to do surveys is the surveys are really hard to do they look simple but they're really hard to do if you could look at this first one that says how many have four kids attended including this one

circle one I wrote that it was probably at midnight and I was really tired and when I read it to my nine-year-old he knew exactly what I was thinking when I read it to my wife she came up with a different answer not that it was wrong because I know she's going to watch this later I don't get in trouble but it was a different way to read it in fact the adults that answered some of the surveys for their kids they read it the same way and understood at the way she's my wife did but my son knew I'm asking how many half the kids did you go to and some people actually wrote the number four but

that's not a choice so surveys are really hard because we've only had three hack for kids and I only know one kid that's been to all three when someone writes for what do I do with that data but they're really hard we don't ask anything about PII such as like age or like their name or anything like that I mean during the registration the parents can choose to put that in there or not but when we do surveys we want them to be really blind and anonymous but we did ask range because we want to understand how many kids that were younger than eight showed up this year and we had I think was about five kids on actually

that's in there but so we did a range like younger than eight eight to twelve thirteen to seventeen then we wanted some stats on gender but when you actually kind of zoom into this here a little bit more you can see here's all the different categories and then the columns of a one poor didn't like it five excellent loved it and some and we did this right before we gave out the prizes so it was kind of like a piranha feeding frenzy where the kids are just filling them out because they wanted to get to the prizes and some of them were just circling ones that completely throws off your data or they would circle so one of the required you can

only go to one workshop which is one and two and they did both so which is the right one I don't know could I have done it online yeah but we're going to have people like a line in front of computers so it's a really hard thing it's a really difficult thing to do surveys oh wow that infographic didn't work too well I actually finished this last night at 3am so i apologize i really want to make a lot better but some quick stats the participants kind of going top down this year we had 53 people registered we had about 50 51 show up compared to last year we had 40 and these are just kids

40 kids registered in chicago and and 38 showed up in 21 home early because they didn't feel well which is why we require parents to be there in case something goes wrong because something will go wrong who attended previously which is that survey question so the first row is 36 boys and 12 girls that was their first half for kids in Chicago I think it's pretty cool so the word got out but what happened to all the other people that were there last year I know two boys and two girls were at to hack for kids previously but there was also one kid that went to Indianapolis and then Chicago but we never got a survey from him oh if we did

they didn't quite understand the question so that again the data it's not clean and it's hard to normalize and then one kid at the bottom was my kid who went to three yeah these kids he likes to go age ranges you could see here is a percentile and in the shape of the donut there was interestingly enough there were more it was a higher percentage of kids under eight then over 13 don't know why but tell your friends um 8 to 12 that seems to be our sweet spot your kids want somebody showed me a text yesterday I ran into them in a club and they go it's it was a text from the kid to the parent I want to go to hack

for kids conference because they went last year they wanted to go again this year so the kids are asking which activity stations are most popular was the technology destruction village obviously why but the most attended was the lock-picking village which again I would be there to all day if I could some other stats here in the lock-picking village we had 28 kids go five so almost all of them did like one through four pins but we see here there was 12 who did five pin locks eight who did six pin locks and nine who were able to get out of the cuffs and there were some kids I just went for the cuffs and we're done a little bit me too but three

which are the red did everything which is really cool is like the last two minutes 12 minutes network security section we had nine kids go there all nine kids did the exercises but only seven were able to do the the hidden would able to do the hidden file challenge there were some of the challenges where they had to look at some packet data which took him to a an image on our website they had to get the image from the web sites that had to find the URL and then in the image it was a hidden message so they had to find the message which is pretty fun then sorry it wasn't in the exif data it was

something else it was hidden somewhere else I'm not going to tell you cuz you might want to do that one day so pipe down for kids we had 10 kids show up to that activity station we had 10 kids do all the exercise I'm sorry all the exercises up to number three and only two were able to get as far as two challenges that nobody was able to do this to bonacci spy math we had 12 this was a cryptographic challenges like number theory and stuff like that but if you say hey you want to do some you know advanced math proofing we're not gonna have anyone show up but if he called spy math you get 12 kids show up um and that

was Robertson to it so we had seven of eight show up so I'm sorry out of out of the eight challenges that they had to do seven were done by seven kids and then um two kids were doing proofs and they were not in high school which is really impressive there was one kid that loved crypto so much we this is I call this payday we're in Indianapolis he showed up had no idea what hack for kids is he goes right to the crypto challenges he SAT there and said I love this it was like did you ever do this before you'll know and I'm going to be here all day until I do all of these challenges and

he SAT there doing every single one and then when he went to Chicago he's like other good to be new challengers like absolutely i was emailing his dad and his dad was like yeah i don't know where he got this room but he really loves this stuff and we had more challenges we even had a board printed in Braille when they had to feel through and figure out what the hidden message was in Braille and then the technology destruction village we had 14 kids show up they had to identify seven electronic components of that five of them did all seven and nearly all of them were able to figure out what a capacitor is I thought was pretty cool flux capacitor

some additional comments real quick you could see there some of the other comments was like guess who I didn't want to include that lastly just you want to join us on this journey you want to climb to the top of the mountain you want to have a hack for kids in your area let us know you know how to reach us we have a table out there I might not be there but definitely give your contact information or card to somebody let them know why we're online that's our twitter handle that's me i'm dave Schwartzberg you notice how he did not talk about myself at all in who i am and then I work for MobileIron so they

sponsored me to be here so I want you to know who they are as well as some third-party references thank you very much I appreciate your time and attention today I think we have time for one or two questions before the next speaker if anyone has one that's entirely up to you started for the Philadelphia Washington DC area I just get information to you and then you guys gonna vet it Kasab wheat I do right now on my own time um volunteer for martial art studio and they have a summer camp and what I did is put an hour into working with this awesome art and put an hour cyber security education into their schedule so I would do that now so this

might be a good extension so can I come in so the good news is is uh besides these folks have I started a conversation with us and besides DC is interested in doing a hack for kids village at their event so we're in discussion we just started yesterday talking about this but that's possibility [Music] do you know this house oh yeah the message there is whether you might not be the right person to organize one if you do know other people who are experienced organizers approach them and have them approach us and you need to be persistent with them he wants us to go south I would like to go south with in November through March if that's okay

with you oh I know oh I know I agree with you sorry I made a made a joke but i agree with you i want to go further south as well great let's thank our speaker again